Refugees; Greece and Australia

preamble:
I saw an article that suggested that police in Greece were arresting and putting into interment 
camps refugees, sex workers, transgender folk etc. I posted about it because I wanted to know if it were true. 
Below is the conversation a reader and I had.https://leesis.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/hey-you-yes-you/

I have decided to share it because I think we should all be thinking about how governments are behaving with 
refugees and we should all guard against getting sucked into word usage that try's to make us forget the term human. 
Which is simply what we all are.
Comment:
There are camps for illegal immigrants yes. They are coming into the country in droves from everywhere. But drug users are getting paid quite well here, and no there aren’t any sex workers in internment camps. They are grounded in hospitals for treatment. The internment camps are real and they are a shame. But all the rest is fiction. Nobody’s going against transgender people. Unless you heard that from the Golden Dawn, who are Nazis. Yes, the Nazis want all these people in internment camps, just as Hitler did. Along with the elderly and the cripple. But Hitler doesn’t rule our country. We still have a presumed democracy, although I personally doubt its validity. In any case, even without the exaggerations, the interment camps shouldn’t be there. However, before you’re all too quick to blame the Greek government, please take a good look at the Dublin II treatise which states that illegal immigrants are forced to remain in the country they arrive to the EU from, and are not allowed to proceed to another country from there until they are processed. The European Union has turned out country into its illegal immigrant dumpster, and they big countries who are very well protected on the insides of mainland Europe are more than happy to leave illegal immigrants where they land, instead of giving them permits to proceed to their original intended destinations. None of those immigrants want to stay in Greece. They wish to move on to northern countries. But thanks to Dublin II, they can’t go anywhere, they can’t go back, and we have to find some way to accommodate them. Given the fact that there isn’t really much money to go around, and our country’s unemployment is at 50% of the populace at the moment, the money that comes in from the EU is allocated to more pressing national matters, like kids dying of cold and starvation at schools, for example, or cancer patients dying in the hospitals without medication. So, yes, it’s despicable, but, frankly, until something is done to replace the Dublin II, we are stuck with them, and they are stuck in internment camps, cause there’s nowhere else. They initially put most of them in the Olympic Village, where the athletes and delegations lived during the 2004 Olympics, but there are thousands and they are coming into the country by the hundreds every day, especially since the war in Syria broke out. I hope these are facts enough for you, from someone who actually lives it.
Greece unemployment

and I replied…

My friend thank-you so much for that. I was so hoping you’d answer. big hugs 🙂

The plight of people who are refugees from war and corruption is horrendous everywhere I think.

No, I’m not looking to blame individual governments though I hold my own (both sides) in disgust. Australians governments are stuffing things up with refugees here to many Australians great shame and sadness. In Australia we can afford to offer asylum to those running from horrific situations. And we are all aware that things are really financially tough for the Greek people and feel deep empathy. The answer as to what to do with more folk when unemployment is 50% and so many Greeks are suffering is something that does my head in. I’d say let’s get them to Australia but hey, our government would just send them to a country whose human rights situation is dreadful and who certainly aren’t in the same financial position as Australia.

Margie can you tell me what ;

“and no there aren’t any sex workers in internment camps. They are grounded in hospitals for treatment” means? What do you mean by “grounded” and is it their choice to have “treatment” and what does “treatment” mean?

Thank goodness (and I really do mean goodness) that the statements about transgender folk aren’t true. Mate from this little Aussie bears perspective this ‘golden dawn’ people sound major scary. For a group of people (how big are they?) to think in 2013 that harming another bunch of people because they are different is somehow okay or will somehow ‘fix’ things makes me want to put them in a history class 24/7 until they see the fallacy of that.

So mate no, it’s not about judging. But in 1992 I was a lecturer in psychology and was speaking about human tendencies’ to a bunch of young twenty-something’s with beautiful hearts and the very typical Australian innocence. I suggested that if the right circumstances arose human beings…even Aussies could be Nazi’s, could be those that stayed silent…that the whole thing could happen again to another group, with a different label. “NO NO” they all crowed, no way… people wouldn’t allow that again.”

So I told them I hoped not but just in case things get really tough for folks in the future, and given these days we are globally connected, lets care enough to keep an eye out for each other so we don’t ever to that shit again.

And I like to walk my talk. Not to judge but to advocate, to bring attention to the root causes. To lend assistance. Because suffering sucks…for all of us…whatever the labels. So when I read this I had to find out.

With love my friend

So much going on as we sit here comfortably in Australia or as Americans this weekend push each other out-of-the-way so they can buy stuff.

Any thoughts?

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3 thoughts on “Refugees; Greece and Australia

  1. I don’t know what to say. To believe that internment camps, relocation programs, etc., are unique to a former century, or that people are inadvertently being squeezed out of jobs and income in one part of the world but not another is naive. There is a very deliberate movement to reduce populations and create scarcity world wide, and this has been in motion for some time. Greece is vulnerable, as are many island nations controlled by a number of governments who are, in turn, in business with corporations buried within businesses. These businesses are burying their work forces, overriding their employees, and lobbying against subsidiary programs, propagandists all wanting “the world” to believe other countries, other peoples, as well as our families and neighbors have more, take more, think less, and give a shit less, too. These are conditioned thoughts, but many are not educated enough, rested enough, or have time to question a very elusive core that leaders dismiss with shout-backs that conspiracy theorists are actually creating… well, conspiracy theories from fantasy.

    In the U.S., spending is down, the value of manufactured goods is poor, and some people are buying “lots of stuff,” but the economy is saturated with petroleum-based food, products, and it is enforced poverty that keeps people from moving beyond ideas that they’ll lose the little they have if they break with conformity.

    This is world wide, and it’s overwhelming to sit with. I am very concerned about the new ways internet usage is being closed off…life has got to be about more than consumption for pleasure in all our ways.

    Thanks for the update. Good shares.

    Meredith

  2. Hey Meredith. thank-you for your thoughtful reply. It is overwhelming to sit with I agree. What concerns me the most is the way ‘money’ brings such things out in us. We all accept that business folks are in it for the profit and we scorn their lack of ethics. But it seems to me the same happens at the other end. When we are not living at the same ‘physical; comfort level as others we seem to lose our ethics too…as evidence the rise of the Golden Dawn organisation into a political party. Or the treatment of those less fortunate than us etc…

    I wonder if our ethics are only ‘fair-weather friends’?

    • It’s a fair thing to wonder, Leesa. And it varies among different folks, don’t you think? I am not a fan, so I’m not objective about consumption. I wandered into that realm… and found I had less of everything important, and higher monthly bills for everything from electricity to ‘service fees.’ Then… well, where did my focus turn toward? Finding ways to pay unnecessary bills. And that’s where the disconnect from Earth and humanity really dug in… and that’s a wrong turn, in my book.

      Consumerism is a distraction, and it feeds illusion. I felt overwhelmed when you wrote this post because I’m working on a project that includes historical events from Kefalonia. My colleague’s father endured the horror, and many Greeks know the story, but many people don’t. I honestly think people attach evil to WW II, and end the thought without looking further… aol they can keep themselves bubble-wrapped from any further occurrences of awfulness. Yet, we have Gitmo, courtesy of the Bush years, still up and running! Who’s being shuttled into that hell hole? The facility is not on US ground… as a loophole… and our citizens don’t feel or see its presence, so it’s not there. Turn, turn, turn… (just ‘glad it’s not me’ mentality).

      All right, enough with my soap box . Good on you for paying attention asking questions, and following this farther. I think the concern is legitimate and merits discussion. Peace is still a grassroots movement, but it’s movement, nonetheless.

      Meaningful post, my friend. Thank you.

      Meredith

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